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The following propositions were debated:
Freed (1) The Bible teaches that immersion in water to a penitent believer is baptism.
Pigue (2) The Bible authorizes infant baptism.
Freed (3) The Bible teaches that baptism to a penitent believer is for, in order to remission of sins.
Pigue (4) The Bible teaches that sprinkling or pouring water upon a candidate is baptism.
Freed (5) The Bible teaches that the church of the New Testament was organized and established on the first Pentecost after the resurrection of Christ.
Pigue (6) The Bible teaches that salvation is promised to a believer before baptism.
Mr. Pigue said some amusing and very ridiculous things in his denial of immersion being baptism. He said enlightened people would not be immersed. He said Methodists sometimes immersed people, but those immersed were ignoramuses. He grew quite eloquent in describing the dew "gently effusing down upon Nebuchadnezzar and baptizing him." (Daniel 5:21) When Freed said dew does not fall, Mr. Pigue denied it and actually took the position that it does. Bro. Freed met, fully and well, every argument that was presented, and made many that Mr. Pigue could not or did not meet. Bro. Freed is a logician, a scholar, and a high-toned Christian gentleman, perfectly willing and abundantly able to meet any opposer of God's truth.
Mr. Pigue and his brethren had much to say about Bro. Freed's being afraid to meet him on the church question. Bro. Freed said: "Whenever you acknowledge that you cannot defend these specific ones, then I am ready to sign the church question." The truth is Mr. Pigue is sick of these specific propositions, but hates to say so. Too, he can't do as much dodging.
Mr. Pigue claims to have gotten religion, to have been baptized with the Holy Ghost, and to have been called to preach; but he used these expressions: "Freed is an ignoramus - Old Sheppard (meaning J. W. S.) The religiousless set, Campbellites have no spirituality, the best friend the devil has, three things born in water: wiggle tails, tadpoles, and Campbellites - snub-nosed Campbellite doctor - Campbellite church a greased plank on which people slip to hell -- never saw a Campbellite preacher who would tell the truth.
Pigue made a number of references to people in the audience which I am ashamed to have published. Bro. Freed told him that for a man who claimed to have religion, baptized with Holy Ghost, and called to preach could talk that way, he did not want any of them.
Bro. Freed made Pigue acknowledge that he had falsified more than once during the debate, yet he says he "never did a mean thing" in his life and "is endorsed by five conferences." I think I never saw a man who was more unscrupulous than he. To give my opinion of him tersely I would say it is a case of total depravity, pure and simple.
They have agreed to have another debate and put it in book form. Some doubt its being done, but we will wait and see. Some of our best preachers object to our debaters meeting Pigue; but, while I think him very dirty, I think he should be met and exposed as long as the Methodists will endorse him. I am frank to say that I do not see how the Methodists can afford to have him represent them before an intelligent people. I think the disgrace is to the Methodists, not to the man who has to meet him to expose Methodist doctrine. He is about the only man whom they call upon to defend them in this part (West Tennessee).
Bro. T. B. Thompson moderated for Freed; C. E. Norman moderated for Pigue. The following preachers attended. F. O. Howell, Wynne, Arkansas; J. H. Murrell, Maury City, Tennessee; T. B. Thompson (moderator) Paducah, Kentucky; W. W. Phebus, Ridgely, Tennessee; W. H. Trice, Ripley, Tennessee.
The good people of Bogota entertained the visitors well, and all appreciated their kindness.
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A. G. Freed vs R. H. Pigue
December 16-22, 1907
Bogota, Tennessee
(By W. Halliday Trice)
December 16-22, 1907
Bogota, Tennessee
(By W. Halliday Trice)
The following propositions were debated:
Freed (1) The Bible teaches that immersion in water to a penitent believer is baptism.
Pigue (2) The Bible authorizes infant baptism.
Freed (3) The Bible teaches that baptism to a penitent believer is for, in order to remission of sins.
Pigue (4) The Bible teaches that sprinkling or pouring water upon a candidate is baptism.
Freed (5) The Bible teaches that the church of the New Testament was organized and established on the first Pentecost after the resurrection of Christ.
Pigue (6) The Bible teaches that salvation is promised to a believer before baptism.
Mr. Pigue said some amusing and very ridiculous things in his denial of immersion being baptism. He said enlightened people would not be immersed. He said Methodists sometimes immersed people, but those immersed were ignoramuses. He grew quite eloquent in describing the dew "gently effusing down upon Nebuchadnezzar and baptizing him." (Daniel 5:21) When Freed said dew does not fall, Mr. Pigue denied it and actually took the position that it does. Bro. Freed met, fully and well, every argument that was presented, and made many that Mr. Pigue could not or did not meet. Bro. Freed is a logician, a scholar, and a high-toned Christian gentleman, perfectly willing and abundantly able to meet any opposer of God's truth.
Mr. Pigue and his brethren had much to say about Bro. Freed's being afraid to meet him on the church question. Bro. Freed said: "Whenever you acknowledge that you cannot defend these specific ones, then I am ready to sign the church question." The truth is Mr. Pigue is sick of these specific propositions, but hates to say so. Too, he can't do as much dodging.
Mr. Pigue claims to have gotten religion, to have been baptized with the Holy Ghost, and to have been called to preach; but he used these expressions: "Freed is an ignoramus - Old Sheppard (meaning J. W. S.) The religiousless set, Campbellites have no spirituality, the best friend the devil has, three things born in water: wiggle tails, tadpoles, and Campbellites - snub-nosed Campbellite doctor - Campbellite church a greased plank on which people slip to hell -- never saw a Campbellite preacher who would tell the truth.
Pigue made a number of references to people in the audience which I am ashamed to have published. Bro. Freed told him that for a man who claimed to have religion, baptized with Holy Ghost, and called to preach could talk that way, he did not want any of them.
Bro. Freed made Pigue acknowledge that he had falsified more than once during the debate, yet he says he "never did a mean thing" in his life and "is endorsed by five conferences." I think I never saw a man who was more unscrupulous than he. To give my opinion of him tersely I would say it is a case of total depravity, pure and simple.
They have agreed to have another debate and put it in book form. Some doubt its being done, but we will wait and see. Some of our best preachers object to our debaters meeting Pigue; but, while I think him very dirty, I think he should be met and exposed as long as the Methodists will endorse him. I am frank to say that I do not see how the Methodists can afford to have him represent them before an intelligent people. I think the disgrace is to the Methodists, not to the man who has to meet him to expose Methodist doctrine. He is about the only man whom they call upon to defend them in this part (West Tennessee).
Bro. T. B. Thompson moderated for Freed; C. E. Norman moderated for Pigue. The following preachers attended. F. O. Howell, Wynne, Arkansas; J. H. Murrell, Maury City, Tennessee; T. B. Thompson (moderator) Paducah, Kentucky; W. W. Phebus, Ridgely, Tennessee; W. H. Trice, Ripley, Tennessee.
The good people of Bogota entertained the visitors well, and all appreciated their kindness.
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