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April 4 - 7 at Lovington.
On the church question, main issues were Holy Spirit baptism and oneness of the Godhead. They say Jesus only is the one being of God and has always been. He claimed God and Christ were one and the same, and that God was in Christ, the man Christ. I asked him: "Is it possible for God to die?" and he said it was not possible. But Christ did die. Thus I showed the audience that, according to his own argument, then God did die after all, since God and Christ were the same person. This also proves two persons rather than the one, as he contended.
It is almost impossible to get these men to take any definite stand as to just when, and in what way, they claim to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit today. I could never get him to take a stand or declare that they prayed for it now and received it in answer to prayer. And he would not claim that they could receive it as a direct consequence of baptism in water. He claimed that the gift of the Spirit in Acts 2:38 is the baptism of the Spirit, but would not assert or deny that such gift came as a consequence of baptism in water for the remission of sins.
The best argument to get these people stirred up, and the argument that is the center of the matter, is to prove that the very fact they cannot do what they claim is evidence that they are deceivers and teachers of false doctrine. I stressed that the best proof of the fact that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the use of spiritual gifts had ceased was their inability to do what the apostles did do who had been baptized therein. I asked him to raise the dead as they claimed they had the power by the baptism of Holy Spirit. He felt the sting of defeat and the audience knew that he did.
D. C. Williams of Lovington moderated for Gobbell, J. F. Solomon for Pippin.
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Clarence C. Gobbel vs J. E. Pippen (Pentecostal)
April 27, 1939
(By Clarence C. Gobbell)
April 27, 1939
(By Clarence C. Gobbell)
April 4 - 7 at Lovington.
On the church question, main issues were Holy Spirit baptism and oneness of the Godhead. They say Jesus only is the one being of God and has always been. He claimed God and Christ were one and the same, and that God was in Christ, the man Christ. I asked him: "Is it possible for God to die?" and he said it was not possible. But Christ did die. Thus I showed the audience that, according to his own argument, then God did die after all, since God and Christ were the same person. This also proves two persons rather than the one, as he contended.
It is almost impossible to get these men to take any definite stand as to just when, and in what way, they claim to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit today. I could never get him to take a stand or declare that they prayed for it now and received it in answer to prayer. And he would not claim that they could receive it as a direct consequence of baptism in water. He claimed that the gift of the Spirit in Acts 2:38 is the baptism of the Spirit, but would not assert or deny that such gift came as a consequence of baptism in water for the remission of sins.
The best argument to get these people stirred up, and the argument that is the center of the matter, is to prove that the very fact they cannot do what they claim is evidence that they are deceivers and teachers of false doctrine. I stressed that the best proof of the fact that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the use of spiritual gifts had ceased was their inability to do what the apostles did do who had been baptized therein. I asked him to raise the dead as they claimed they had the power by the baptism of Holy Spirit. He felt the sting of defeat and the audience knew that he did.
D. C. Williams of Lovington moderated for Gobbell, J. F. Solomon for Pippin.
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