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Nov. 7-11, 1960.
The subject of orphan homes was discussed the first two nights at the Lafayette Heights building in Indianapolis, Ind. The last two night the subject of church cooperation in evangelism was discussed at the Morgan Street building in Martinsville, Ill.
Bro. Webb said the church could not help orphan children in any respect who were not at least 10-12 years old and had obeyed the gospel. However, he had spoken long until he contradicted that by saying that the church is "all- sufficient" to care for orphan children without the aid of nay other institution. Bro. Rogers countered by placing a doll on the stand to represent a supposed baby whose father was dead and who mother was not expected to live very long and who had placed her membership with the Lafayette Heights church and asked that they care for her child after she died. Bro. Rogers asked bro. Webb to tell the audience how the Lafayette Heights church would provide for the child. The doll was placed on the lectern both nights and bro. Webb was urged to make a statement concerning the care which the L.H.'s elders would give the baby; but the proposition closed without bro. Webb ever making any sort of a statement as to what , if anything, the elders of the L.H. church would do for the baby. Bro. Webb was in a dilemma and did not know what to say, since the baby was too young to be a member of the church. So he made no attempt to answer.
Bro. Webb made the usual argument that the orphan homes are wrong because of the board of trustees connected with them. Bro. Rogers answered: If trustees made the orphan home wrong, then the board of trustees connected with the preacher's home would likewise make the preacher's home unscriptural. Bro. Webb did say the preacher's home is a part of the preacher's salary. Bro. Rogers said the preacher's salary is only a means of his living and that the orphan's home is only a means of living; therefore, it is the same, whether it is giving in money or the necessities of the home which may be bought with money. Bro. Webb felt the force of these arguments and was never able to recover.
Bro. Webb said the church can place orphans in a private home, rent a house for them and hire the necessary personal, buy a house and hire the necessary help, or hire a couple to care for them. Bro. Rogers showed that such an arrangement would contradict bro. Webb's definition of the church, because if the church used either of the methods bro. Webb suggested, it would be using another organization; therefore, the church would not be "all sufficient" to care for the children without the aid of another institution. Bro. Rogers said we all believe that the church is "all sufficient" to do all that the Lord intended for the church to do, but that the Lord never intended for the church to be a home.
On the cooperation questions bro. Rogers showed that the churches of Antioch and Jerusalem cooperated by sending preachers from one church to the other and by The Jerusalem church's sending a letter to the church in Antioch. The Jerusalem church sent Silas and Judas to preach to the church at Antioch. Bro. Rogers also pointed out that the Jerusalem church not only sent letters to the church at Antioch but also sent letters to the churches in Syria and Cilicea. Bro. Webb tried to answer that by saying that the thing that is wrong with cooperation is "cold, hard cash." So any other kind would be permissible as long as there is no "cold, hard cash" involved. When bro. Rogers had finished with that it was evident that bro. Webb saw the absurdity of his statement.
Before the debate bro. Webb boasted of his numerical superiority power in that area - and hoped bro. Rogers supporters would not desert him. Bro. Rogers' people stood by him every night. But the last two nights bro. Webb's people almost all left him except 12 members. The loyal brethren were pleased and completely satisfied with young brother Rogers (25 yeas old).
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Jimmy Rogers vs Brooks Webb (Orphan homes - Church cooperation in evangelism)
December 29, 1960
Indianapolis, Indiana
(By W. L. Toddy)
December 29, 1960
Indianapolis, Indiana
(By W. L. Toddy)
Nov. 7-11, 1960.
The subject of orphan homes was discussed the first two nights at the Lafayette Heights building in Indianapolis, Ind. The last two night the subject of church cooperation in evangelism was discussed at the Morgan Street building in Martinsville, Ill.
Bro. Webb said the church could not help orphan children in any respect who were not at least 10-12 years old and had obeyed the gospel. However, he had spoken long until he contradicted that by saying that the church is "all- sufficient" to care for orphan children without the aid of nay other institution. Bro. Rogers countered by placing a doll on the stand to represent a supposed baby whose father was dead and who mother was not expected to live very long and who had placed her membership with the Lafayette Heights church and asked that they care for her child after she died. Bro. Rogers asked bro. Webb to tell the audience how the Lafayette Heights church would provide for the child. The doll was placed on the lectern both nights and bro. Webb was urged to make a statement concerning the care which the L.H.'s elders would give the baby; but the proposition closed without bro. Webb ever making any sort of a statement as to what , if anything, the elders of the L.H. church would do for the baby. Bro. Webb was in a dilemma and did not know what to say, since the baby was too young to be a member of the church. So he made no attempt to answer.
Bro. Webb made the usual argument that the orphan homes are wrong because of the board of trustees connected with them. Bro. Rogers answered: If trustees made the orphan home wrong, then the board of trustees connected with the preacher's home would likewise make the preacher's home unscriptural. Bro. Webb did say the preacher's home is a part of the preacher's salary. Bro. Rogers said the preacher's salary is only a means of his living and that the orphan's home is only a means of living; therefore, it is the same, whether it is giving in money or the necessities of the home which may be bought with money. Bro. Webb felt the force of these arguments and was never able to recover.
Bro. Webb said the church can place orphans in a private home, rent a house for them and hire the necessary personal, buy a house and hire the necessary help, or hire a couple to care for them. Bro. Rogers showed that such an arrangement would contradict bro. Webb's definition of the church, because if the church used either of the methods bro. Webb suggested, it would be using another organization; therefore, the church would not be "all sufficient" to care for the children without the aid of another institution. Bro. Rogers said we all believe that the church is "all sufficient" to do all that the Lord intended for the church to do, but that the Lord never intended for the church to be a home.
On the cooperation questions bro. Rogers showed that the churches of Antioch and Jerusalem cooperated by sending preachers from one church to the other and by The Jerusalem church's sending a letter to the church in Antioch. The Jerusalem church sent Silas and Judas to preach to the church at Antioch. Bro. Rogers also pointed out that the Jerusalem church not only sent letters to the church at Antioch but also sent letters to the churches in Syria and Cilicea. Bro. Webb tried to answer that by saying that the thing that is wrong with cooperation is "cold, hard cash." So any other kind would be permissible as long as there is no "cold, hard cash" involved. When bro. Rogers had finished with that it was evident that bro. Webb saw the absurdity of his statement.
Before the debate bro. Webb boasted of his numerical superiority power in that area - and hoped bro. Rogers supporters would not desert him. Bro. Rogers' people stood by him every night. But the last two nights bro. Webb's people almost all left him except 12 members. The loyal brethren were pleased and completely satisfied with young brother Rogers (25 yeas old).
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